Rules Overhaul [FORUM WIDE DISCUSSION]

[mrcrazycakes]

I'm against starting on just one world; some of us (Read: I) already have a lot of existing characters that will need to be tossed out the window in that event, and I for one have no desire to re-apply for the canons I got.

And on that note, what does happen to all our existig characters? Do they just vanish into thin air until that world gets found, trashed altogether, what?

Also going to lobby for either bumping up the Munny per post or making stuff less expensive on average. The other matters I have no real opinion on, but if they are no longer important in any way, can they still be chosen as a default weapon with no other benefits?

[The Mysterious Mr. Jameson Q.]

I am not in favor of anyone being grandfathered in.

[mrcrazycakes]

I'm not saying drag the whole character abilities and all into what'll probably end up a new system, but I mean like if we wanted to, we could recycle the part that's actually the character and just scrap all the abilities and stats and whatnot. 'cause I don't really want to drop my current cast; I like playing those guys.

[The Mysterious Mr. Jameson Q.]

"World Plot Ends=> Second World Discovered=> Keyblade Quest to Unlock=> World Unlocked=> One Week Later worldis open for Moogle Travel
Think of the Keyblade Quest thing as in Kingdom Hearts II, when Sora had to go through those Gummi Space parts to unlock the barriers between the worlds. This would essentially be that, minus the need to own a personal gummi-ship, or to use one provided by the Storm Chasers."

[Spring [Complex]]

Suddenly the Keyblade is IMPORTANT again, problem solved. However I should note, an evil Keybearer or perhaps even a good one with the right intentions should be able to lock the world back too. Something like that would only be possible in a Plot centric RP like this. I'm glad everyone's feeling the Plot-centric approach cause it means we're focused, we affect each other, and we can then SPOTLIGHT RP that is happening. Think about it all for a second everyone, new member comes to DS and they see that "Wow when I do something in RP, it's important!?" I don't know about you but people like me will always say "SIGN ME UP!" everytime. Now I do understand everyone's problems concerning the next major tidbit. Characters.

To be honest I feel torn too, I put in a lot of time for Kairi. Heck I put a lot of time in for Tidus. I don't want people to have to "abandon" their cast but at the same time I know we cannot support multiple worlds, we're just too small. However I might have a solution to fix all that. Crazy, recall I made a super awesome BBS style plot for us on Kingdom Hearts: Shatterpoint? With Shatterpoint there was lots of control given OOC for how to steer certain things and with the advent of KH: 3D around the corner, I think it might be possible to start everyone out on Traverse Town and say something happened to the worlds at large, I dunno just one possibility.

Though the problem with that is, the appeal for DS initially was the idea that nothing bad happened with Xehanort which definitely affected a lot of characters (canons especially). It means we're in for a brainstorm for sure. Can we maybe get a poll of worlds up to assist in this discussion? Also some form of compensation for previous characters will be needed depending on how we do things. Either way, nothing is final until we do a vote and iron things out to the best of our ability.

[White]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. This is something I like a lot, especially starting in Traverse Town because something happened. I find that really interesting, I like where it can lead to. :3 I hope we can flesh things out with that a little more. -nodnod-

And I'm pretty sure anyone can get the poll up. If not, I should be able to. PM me with the specifications so I can whip one up if needed?

[Secret Agent Cat]

Mm, the original plot was that this was all set before the events in KH where something happened ( just stating) so if not going off of that Traverse Town would be a relatively good place to start, but going with the old plot the events wouldn't have happened thus Traverse Town wouldn't be there yet?

Just a little input.. I know we'll think of something, I'm just not very good at thinking Dx Like, I'm not sure how the whole one world start thing is going to work but with brains like your guys' we'll think of something (Mmmmm braiinnss)

Also, I thought of something while playing BBS (Yes finally got it!). D-Linking, where you can use other character's abilities. Maybe, we can have a Wayfinder where if we give it to someone they can use/borrow/essentially have one or more of our abilities. Maybe for a limited time or unlimited, not sure.

[mrcrazycakes]

I think Traverse would be a good place to start off at by nature of it being a hub city. It also means we can use whatever plot device we come up with to have taken over the other worlds or otherwise forced all the characters there at the starting point! And I agree about us getting some kind of compensation for all our hard work and lost Munny (Maybe just give us back the cash we spent? idekay)

And on the D-Link thing, me and DSA were going to try something like that, except I think it worked by letting you use one of a linked character's signature abilities... I could be wrong though; that was a while back and I don't think we finished that system.

I also think that when we get started back up, we should run an ad drive to get the word out there that this place is back up! ... You know, if we get to that point.

[The Mysterious Mr. Jameson Q.]

I'm still against people being grandfathered in.

[White]

So is this going to be a whole restart? Characters abilities and histories (as defined by the events that took place during rp) are going to be reset? The abilities I'm starting to accept giving up for the time being since I already have so much munny anyways... The history I've built up with Jillian, though, I'm kinda more attached to.

Compensation can't be too much, I think. A lot of people (including myself) would have an unfair advantage over all the new members we would hopefully accumulate. I'd like to at least keep my munny and just hold off on powering Jill up to where I wanted her to be. I'd be spending what I could to get her back to where she was anyways and need to build back up. I'm thinking somewhere around half credit, maybe even less depending on how powerful characters are. Abilities gained in the beginning during character creation should remain unless we mess around with that too. I get the feeling we might, so this will need to be discussed too. Who's in favor of a discussion checklist? Cuz I sure as hell am.

Assuming we go with this Traverse Town idea, when everyone is transported, it's such a shock that everyone is weakened back to beginning stages. That's an explanation I'd be good with. And hey, if people want memory loss, go for it.

As for D-Link, I never EVER used that in BBS. So I have no opinion on it because I don't care.

[Geizt]

A checklist would be lovely.

[Secret Agent Cat]

Hm, maybe old members start out with a set amount of money, like 5000 munny or something (I don't know just came up with a random number), but not too immensely high amount. And, new members get some too for joining, maybe even more if theres a sort of promotion thing going on.

I also like the grandfather idea... but not sure if it would fit in here though we all did work hard on our characters as well as Canons. :[ Maybe, once the other worlds are open we can have first choice of the Canons we held and get a little more munny or a free ability.

[White]

As much as I hate to say it, I'm with Brezzen on the no grandfathering in. At least in certain situations. If we want to start over, we HAVE to start over. It's incredibly unfair to see all these high level characters already when you join what's supposed to be a 'new' forum. People could be too intimidated to join, others will just be like, screw it, there's not point in trying to catch up. For a new forum, most of our characters are too powered up. We NEED to have at least something to get them back down so we don't scare people off. Refusing to grandfather people in is the simplest and easiest solution right now. I also think it's the smartest.

Building off of that, it's also unfair to completely renew characters that people have already spent so much time on. There should be some sort of bonus for older members. I see nothing wrong with it as long as it isn't too much. It's a new forum and an update at the same time. It's like playing an online game with a particular company or whatever, and then they come out with a new game. The company gives the option of a bonus to players who played the old game. Kind of a poor example, but I hope you guys get the idea.

[The Mysterious Mr. Jameson Q.]

In the event that old members get a benefit for rejoining, I think new members get a way to unlock the same benefit, or a counter-benefit that older members do not get.

For the same reasons I don't think any of our munny should carry over, and as always I don't think anyone should get priority to have things, just because they had them.

Perhaps;
Old Member gets to choose one Rejoining Package:

• Half-priced Canon Audition; Refunded if rejected
  
• 5 Additional Skillpoints on Character Creation
  
• 1 Additional Custom Ability/Slot on Character Creation
  
• XXX Additional Creation Credits (probably no more than 500)
  
• If Rejected, this package is replaced by Package 3.
  
  Package 2, The Re: OC Package (recreating Originals):
  
• 5 Additional Skillpoints on Character Creation
  
• 1 Additional Custom Slot on Character Creation
  
• 2 Additional Custom Abilities on Character Creation
  
• XXX Additional Creation Credits (more than in Canon Package)
  
  Package 3, The Generic Package:
  
• 5 Additional Skillpoints to be used as desired
  
• 1 Additional Custom Ability to be used as desired.
  
• 1 Item, XXX Price, from shop.
  
• XXX Munny (Half that of Canon Package)

As opposed to new members also getting a cool benefit for joining up.

Perhaps;
New members during the first few months get to choose of the following packages.

• Half-Price Items and Equips until grand-opening period ends, (no retail value).
  
• Upon 150 Posts, they may redeem a 10% discount on anything.
  
  Trainer Package:
  
• 1 Custom Ability
  
• XXX Additional Creation Credits (comparable to that of "Generic Package")
  
• Upon 150 Posts, they may redeem 10 Skillpoints and 1 appropriate mid-level skill/spell.
  
  Legend Package:
  
• ??? (1 Custom Ability, and a Keychain)
  
• Upon 150 Posts, ??? (Free Keyblade App, or if already in possession, Half-price Keyblade Armor)
  
  Generic Package:
  
• 1 Refundable Canon Application
  
• 5 Skill Points, to be used as desired.
  
• Upon 150 Posts, XXX Munny (More than in Re: OC Package)

[Spring [Complex]]

Yeah I'm seeing how things are going and getting a better understanding. Brez makes compelling points about not grandfathering, sadly it makes far too much sense Q.Q

Okay, so let's say rather than even voting that we all just start at Traverse Town. Something happened to the worlds and needless to say here we are. It means ALL CANONS FROM EVERYWHERE, will be stuck on TT, thus it's fair game and we can avoid the drama of one world over another. As for how new worlds pop up, that'd depend on the plot but that's not a bad direction.

Brezzy's packages also sound pretty reasonable admittedly. Ugh all that work Q.Q I'm in favour of a checklist, Rocketto, please compile a list of everything we need doing and what's been touched on cause I'm still feeling very slow and forgetful since it's been awhile n.n; Also guys, don't let me feel like I'm making all the decisions here D= Counter me (and Brez) if you're feeling otherwise, cause I just want to see what everyone's thinking and what's on the table seriously for discussion. When I say counter I do mean provide a reasonable solution with it ^^;